From ADHD To Entrepreneurial Excellence, with Molly Thompson

Dan Sullivan: Hi, this is Dan Sullivan. I'd like to welcome you to the Multiplier Mindset Podcast. Today's Multiplier Mindset interview is with Molly Thompson. And Molly and I have some things in common. I grew up about 30 miles from Perrysburg. I grew up in a smaller town than she did. So I know the small town. I like the small towns, you know, as long as you can leave. Anyway, the other thing I share with her is I don't have ADHD. I have ADD. And I didn't really find out until I was 66, so I'm 80 now. And the reason why I found out is I went to the Amen Clinic in Newport, California, Daniel Amen. And I went through three days of testing, and they do brain scans, and they test memory, they test responsiveness, they test concentration. Before you go to the clinic, you have to fill out a 200-question report on the internet before they let you come. And I think for most ADD people, that sort of screens out. But I actually like doing that. I actually like answering questions about your family, your birth order, your work experience, you know, how you get things done and everything else.
 
So anyway, I went through the whole thing and then I met with a psychiatrist afterwards and she had all the tests. She had my questionnaire and she said, you know, you have the widest span between who you say you are in answering the questions and what shows up in our tests. And she said, you seem to have a very calm life. You seem to not have very much stress in your life. And you don't reflect in any of your questions that you have conflicts and everything. But over with our tests, you've got a 10-ring circus going on inside your brain. And I said, that would be true. She says, so can you explain why our tests are so radically different from how you describe your life? And I said, well, I've got this company, and what we do is we create thinking tools for entrepreneurs. And I gave her some examples of some of the tools. She said, well, I don't know who else you created this for, but you sure created it for yourself.
 
It was very useful for me, and going back to why I went to the clinic in the first place is that I have noticed, and this was 2011, so we had been running the Program now for about 22 years, and I had noticed that a high percentage, 40%, of our entrepreneurial clients had some form of ADD, and there's about six or seven different ways that it shows up in people's lives, and there's lots of different reasons why it happens. So when I watch Molly Thompson's story, I mean, I knew that she was off the charts ADD, I mean, I can just tell. So I felt a kinship to her, you know, I said, I know what you're going through and I know what it is, but I also know why our Program works, because it's actually designed for ADD people. Not because I tried to do that, it's because I was that way and I had to create thinking tools for myself. But I know how you get it. You allow them to write in very small boxes, two things, small space they can write, and the other thing is you only give them a little bit of time. They love deadlines. They absolutely thrive on deadlines, 30 seconds, 60 seconds, and everything. It's just chunk, chunk, chunk, chunk.
 
But I'm going to say something that I've never said before here. She talks about psychologists and psychiatrists. And my experience is, with all the medical professions, they're going on the average and they're establishing what's normal. Strategic Coach entrepreneurs are all outliers. They don't resemble the normal anything. So what we've done is we've created a community of outliers. And one of the benefits of being in an organized community, focused community of outliers is that you're normal. So when entrepreneurs come into Strategic Coach workshops, they're surrounded by people who in their own world, when they're not at Coach, when they're out in their own world, they're abnormal, but inside Strategic Coach, they're normal. And that has an enormous benefit. And the enormous benefit is you can relax. You don't have to be on guard. You don't have to defend yourself, okay? And all they're interested in is your achievements, and they're interested in your goals. They're interested in your success. They're interested in what you're uniquely creating. They just wanna hear everything that you're doing.
 
And all of a sudden, your energy, rather than just you know, pushing yourself, your energy just to defend yourself, all that energy can go into creativity, it can go into collaboration. Molly's a real star, you know. I mean, I've met her in person and I've heard reports about her. But I was thinking as I was watching the interview that Suvi Siu, who's our video dictator, did with her, and I said, I don't know who else I created this Program for, but I sure created it for Molly. It's such a pleasure, and I think she's done an extraordinary service to millions of other people who will see this interview. I think she's done an enormous service, and I was so happy just to do some commentary on how this relates to Coach. So I really love the interview, and I think you will too.
 
Molly Thompson: My name is Molly Thompson, and I am an entrepreneur who specializes in creating simple solutions to very complex problems that result in transformational impact. And we are a mission-driven energy solutions company, which means that we take a project in clean energy, like LED or solar, and turn it from a transactional project into a transformational project that provides maximum impact for our customers. And tomorrow is day one of year three for Strategic Coach. So I'm very excited about that. Really from the age of 12, I knew I was different. I looked at the world differently. I thought about things differently. And the downside is, when you're growing up in a small community, sometimes looking at the world differently isn't really perceived as a good thing. But I didn't know that at the time. So I marched through life, and in 2016, it just felt like I was really struggling. The strategies and the things that I had done for years, if not decades, just weren't working anymore or as well. And I didn't know why.
 
So I went to a psychologist and she was like, classic textbook ADHD. And I was like offended almost because I was like, that's ridiculous. Like, how would I not know that? And I went to a functional psychiatrist and she said, no, it's anxiety and depression. And so I went down that path for a year or two years, went on meds, nothing happened. And it was still the same thing. Like, my life looked largely the same, and I was still struggling with a lot of the same things that I had been before. And really the constant feeling of, there's something wrong with me, I must be broken, there's something going on that I couldn't get to. And then it was in August of 2022, it had just kind of built up. And one day I just, I got out of bed and I was like, nope. And I literally got back in bed, pulled the covers over my head. And I said to my husband, there is something wrong with me and I don't know what it is. God love him. He was very concerned and said, do you need to go to the hospital? And I said, no, it's not that. Like I'm not short of breath or anything. There's just something that's not right in my world anymore.
 
So I went back down the path of going to the same psychologist, and she's like, still there. Yep, ADHD, still there. I went back to the functional psychiatrist. Mind you, this is almost six years later, and said, I need to review this. And after going through all the tests that she did, she said, well, maybe I can see that it could be ADHD. Do you want to try meds? And at that point I was waving the white flag and I said, I'll do anything. Yes, let me try that. So that started a path of using meds, seeing what was going to happen with it. It was very terrifying for me because I was very afraid that my brain was going to change. I was going to become different. But it actually had the opposite effect where just all the chatter just got quieter so I could focus better. And it was amazing. At the same time, I had also changed my diet quite a lot in the year or two previously. And I found that made a big difference. And then I had just joined Strategic Coach and I was about to go to my second workshop and called my Program Advisor in tears and said, I think I have to drop out. I have ADHD.
 
So thankfully, there was no judgment. There was nothing except an enormous space for me to share what was there, what I was up against. And she said, let's think about it this way. Much like the workshops are a way to think about your thinking, this was the same thing, but let's think about your thinking about this. So I bravely came to that workshop two weeks later, and the whole world opened up for me. And I got introduced to people who, one, I went through a year-long training and development program with. It's changed my perspective. It has changed my whole life. Because all of the things that I had spent my whole life fighting against, we're now liberated. And the things that were, oh, that's so dumb. I can't believe I'm so stupid. Why can't I figure it out? Those very things are now superpowers. I mean, it's changed my perspective on life, on entrepreneurship. My family relationships have changed, and it's been really, really exciting.
 
So ADHD in high-achieving female entrepreneurs, gosh, I have spent quite a lot of time going down this path and thinking about it. I have done a fair amount of research and I look at, you know, ADHD is considered a medical condition, a disorder, and it simply is not. It just isn't. Somewhere along the way, it's become pathologized. And I'm not saying it doesn't exist. Less than 10% of the population has ADHD. That floored me. You'd think talking to people and it's so out there in the world that it would be much, much higher. It's not. It's less than 10%. If you look at the women who are ADHD, it is significantly less than that. And what I find fascinating about that is there probably are a lot more women who are high-functioning, high-achieving female entrepreneurs, but we operate so differently. So my hyperactivity, for example, where for a lot of boys when they're young, you can see it. They're just like all over the place. Mine, you can't see it. It's in my head. It's the ruminating. It's the overthinking. It's the anxiety, which is why it often gets misdiagnosed because practitioners often, what's the word I'm thinking of? They treat what they see. And what they don't see is what happens behind that, or that anxiety and hyperactivity are classic markers of ADHD.
 
So it presents differently in women, and I think for high-achieving female entrepreneurs, it's a pretty interesting world to be in because not only do we not fit in already as it is, but then when you look at high achieving women doing things differently, looking at the world differently, it can be hugely isolating. And part of my interest and excitement to connect here today is really the opportunity to say, I don't think I'm the only one. And I have talked to dozens, if not more, very high achieving female entrepreneurs who have said, no, you're not the only one. I've always felt that way and didn't know how to either articulate it or was too ashamed to talk about it. Or I didn't have the confidence or I did have the confidence, but I got shot down, whatever that is. But if you're speaking into a room where there's 90 percent of the people who are kind of mainstream, if you will, it makes it a lot more challenging. So that's the opportunity for me, is to really connect with other high-achieving women and find out where are the areas where we can come together, collaborate, connect, create, transform.
 
And one other thing, if I can, about this whole ADHD phenomenon is that, in fact, in 1978, there are two female psychologists who coined the term imposter phenomenon. They never changed it. They still call it imposter phenomenon. Somewhere along the way, it got pathologized to a syndrome. And that to me is so enlightening because if you look at it as high-achieving women, as determined female phenomenon, which I think is actually a great acronym for it, it takes on something different. It's not a medical condition. There's nothing wrong with us. Our brains are literally genetically wired to operate differently, to come at it from a survival mechanism. I'm left-handed, so a lefty in a right-handed world, quite literally. So that's the opportunity is to bring us all together. So if I look at the things that I now know about myself, about ADHD, about determined female phenomenon, is that catchy? I kind of like it.
 
But if you look at what is it about me, what is it about people like me, women like me, who are so determined, the hyperactivity comes across as spending a lot of time in my head. I'm always thinking faster, like my brain never stops. It's hard to see that. But if you know me long enough, you can see I'm always constantly thinking about, how do I make something better? How do I improve it? How do I make even just small minor adjustments in something? That never ever stops for me. So that is one potential marker for someone who is wondering. That is, to me, a classic one, where it's that hyperactivity, whether physical or mental or energetic. Impulsivity. This is a challenging one for me because I know it about myself. I can make a snap decision. I have battled with addiction with food particularly, and I see it in compulsive shopping or consumerism, whatever that is. Like, I'm getting up close and personal with that, and it's really uncomfortable. But I think that there's value in the willingness to put that out there, because on the other side of it is something magical, which is complete creativity.
 
I was just telling someone yesterday, I'm able to see through walls. And they're like, well, what do you mean? And I said, I never let something be the end of a conversation. If it's, we can't do that because of this, I'll find a way around it. So coming up with alternative paths, thinking way out into the future, bringing people along for the ride with me. For me, going through Strategic Coach, I had done StrengthsFinder years before, but there was no real context for it. Like I got an inkling of validation for my entrepreneurialism, but really having an opportunity to go a deep dive and say, this is why I do what I do. And it's having those assessments like the Kolbe, like the StrengthsFinder, like the PRINT, helps me to not only shine a light on the things that I know I do really well that maybe I pushed aside years before, because for an entrepreneur you should know how to do marketing and read a balance sheet and all the things that are very prescriptive and linear and now I know I know how to read a balance sheet. It doesn't mean I should ever be the one to do it. And that is totally great. I can find somebody who loves that, who's really gifted at that.
 
So it's being willing to get up close and get into the weeds with the things that you may have a lot of big feelings about and talk through it and work through it and do that with a group of like-minded people, it's liberating and it's like a jumping-off point for creativity. And another thing is emotional dysregulation. So people with ADHD often feel things way more intensely. That to me was a big aha, because I knew that. And I thought, well, maybe I'm just an empath, or maybe I'm just this, or maybe I'm just overemotional. And I've had people tell me, you're overemotional. No, I'm not. I just feel things way more intensely, like a hundred times more intensely. But now I can take that and really look at like, okay, I'm just going to allow myself to feel this really deeply. That's my intuition. And I've spent my whole life repressing it, disregarding it, pushing it down. And now I don't do that anymore. So those are a few, I think, markers that have come up for me.
 
And I think for some people, the time blindness is an obvious one. Being messy. But to that point, messy is in the eye of the beholder. So I'm a very visual person and I remember speaking with André Brisson about this. When he shared this with me, it blew my mind because I thought, oh my God, I've done that my whole life and I didn't know why. And I've just been told that I'm messy. No, I'm not. I'm a visual person. If I don't see it, it doesn't exist. And André shared that he has his hat. He puts his stuff in it every day. And if someone covers it up, it's like it's not there. That was amazing for me. So it is the time blindness. It is the organization. But even with time blindness, something I've learned about myself is it's always, oh, I can just do one more thing. So naturally, organically, I'm usually on time now. It's been decades later, and that's been so interesting to kind of look at myself through this different lens and see how the things that I thought I was known for, I'm really not. I'm not known for being late or being messy. I'm known for being really creative and, you know, I have a lot of energy. I know that, but it allows me to keep going and be really, really determined. That's what has allowed us to create this new business model in our business to go from transactional to transformational.
 
So there's some real value in that. But it's only an asset, so if you look at the things now, perspective is a miraculous thing. I've heard this a lot recently, like if you look at something from inside a jar, inside a bottle, it's not the same as looking at it from outside. I kind of look at it as, if you look at something from ground level, you get to see what's in front of you. You may get a little bit of it, but there's obstacles all around us, like buildings. We're in downtown Toronto, so there's buildings everywhere. But if I am in a plane or in a virgin galactic spaceship, I get to see the whole world. So I used to think I had to look at it from the ground level, but I don't, and I never have. I always look at things from that bigger perspective. So now, knowing what I know, I'm able to let go of that prescriptive, linear, the should, the ideal. That's a whole other topic. But I'm able to let go of that and really tap into the things that I'm really good at. Thinking way far ahead and then being able to back it out and saying, okay, what are we missing? What needs to happen? Who do we need to have involved in this? And assign metrics or a timeline to that.
 
So that little shift in the perspective that my whole life it was always right here, but I wasn't able to see it, like those things that are so right in front of you that it's almost on your face, but you can't see it until you do, and then your whole world changes. So this flagship project of our new business model has been an ongoing exercise in turning obstacles into opportunities. There are a couple different ways I could go with this. So I think there are people who are just wired to think the way that they think. They think from standing right here today, if I look forward, how do I do this, which is very common and very linear. But it also is very limiting, I think. So it's the same perspective as if you look at the two circles, the Venn diagram, two intertwined circles. I don't know if I'm doing that right. But there's what you know you know, and there's what you know that you don't know. So I know that I know French. I know that I don't know physics. But then there's that little slice in the middle of what you don't know you don't know. If you look at things from that little slice, you have no idea the opportunity that exists. And again, it could be right in front of you. So let's see, from looking at turning obstacles into opportunities.
 
So with this, we're lighting a mural. It's 160,000 square feet. We're powering it with a solar array. And it has turned into a massive community collaboration because it had to, to have this project come to life. And the obstacles were ongoing every day. So the first one was going to the company where the mural is physically located, which is on 28 grain silos, and saying, can we light this? And they said, absolutely, you can light this, but you can't add power to our grid. So if you think about it, that's an obstacle. So some people might say, oh, well, we tried. And we were like, okay, well, what do we do if we can't add power to the grid? How do we connect and get the power to be able to light this? What about a solar array? Let's do that. So we went back to them and they said, that's super cool, but you can't build it on our property because of how it's situated. It's an active grain silo. It's an active trucking and shipping lane. And it was like, okay, so now what? So it's just keeping looking out there and looking at it from, if I'm trying to get to that there's only one answer, then that's going to make this project infinitely more difficult.
 
But what if there are infinite answers? That, to me, is a good starting point to say, if we could find an answer, what would that answer look like? So it's really looking at it, shifting that lens again, and coming at the problem from, there's not just one answer ever. And that gets me to something that I have dealt with my whole life, which is conflict. And it's a related note because in this project, a lot of people have told us no. And historically, I would have like run away from conflict or kind of just hung my head at the no. But I learned something recently, and it has been, again, a game changer for me. And it's these four little tiny words. But it's, let's talk about this. What I've learned is that there is no binary conversation. There is no one right answer to this. So if I get to, let's talk about this with somebody, it invites them into the conversation. And then I get to, what's the real roadblock? The real roadblock is, this person's mad because they think I went around them. So it gives me an opportunity to then make that right with them or include them or at least get that resolved in some way.
 
And that has been really liberating for me. I think I've used that word a few times, but it's a really appropriate way to say, you know, this is something where other companies would have been stopped two years ago in this project. Like, what? We can't do it on this property? We're out. And we looked at it as, well, there's a lot of space in Toledo, Ohio. We can put this. And it turned out that there were two parcels of land owned by two different entities. So we got land agreements. We got contracts. We got a project labor agreement, like all this stuff our company of two has done. And to me, that's a testament of not only thinking about things different, but to the Who Not How mentality of there's no way two people can do this. But we never set out to just have it be about us. We set out to have this project be about something that's going to make a really, really amazing impact on the whole community for many years to come. And so all of that together has allowed us to break through some of those obstacles.
 
And on the other side is this whole new business model that we can take and apply to other projects. So community is everything. So there are, again, a couple different pathways to answer this. In the history of the world, there's never been a single entrepreneur who has gotten to the end of the line all by him or herself. It's just not possible. That's not how the world works. You involve other people or organizations or things. Maybe that's a very rudimentary way to look at it, but also not really. Because if you look at a meaningful way to build connection and collaboration and to break through those obstacles is to see it through another person's eyes. And maybe there's someone who has had a very similar experience and they have broken through a barrier that I still can't see for myself. So in sharing that and having that connection, that is a way to create community, is seeing how many people are like-minded out there. And as I've shared before, entrepreneurship can be exceptionally isolating and scary and lonely and frustrating and all the things. And I think that coming together, especially as like-minded, determined, fierce women, really matters because then you can see from our perspective, because women look at the world differently from our male counterparts, there's so much that comes with that community. It is the strength in numbers, but it's not just having more people. It is multiplying exponentially what's possible.
 
So it's, you know, people who bring a massive network or people who bring a wealth of information in finance or marketing or whatever those things are, or coaching or engagement, whatever that is. It no longer becomes just more women in a room, like additive, it becomes compounding and exponential. And I think that's the opportunity out there. And there are a lot of resources out there. And I am looking for all of the women who feel like I do, where I haven't found all the things that I think are available. And that's where community comes together, where we really have an opportunity to elevate ourselves as entrepreneurs, but also then to be able to share that with other people. So it not only helps us transform ourselves, but to transform entrepreneurship for women.
 
And on a related note, if you're going to grow your business, collaboration is the way to do it. My friend Chad says all the time, and it's coined from, I think, Ryan Holiday, where the obstacle is the opportunity. But Chad says, and collaboration is the way through it. And I do believe that that is accurate. So when you're looking to grow your business, you want to look externally because you got to look at who are the people I need and what are the resources that I have that I can share or that I might need from others. But for internal growth, which is where I think we're kind of at the precipice of a sea change for really determined female entrepreneurs, you got to look inward. And no one can make this better for you. I've done a lot of work. I'm really proud of the work that I've done in the past two years. I know that it has changed my relationship, not only with myself, but with my family, with other business owners and entrepreneurs.
 
But I want to be able to share that with other people, because I would imagine there's a lot of people who say, I still feel really isolated and alone. And you just don't have to be. The one thing I would like to touch on is, I think it's been in the undercurrent maybe of everything that we've been talking about, but it's really letting go of the ideal. I notice, actually I do this still, I hold my breath sometimes, and not to the point where it's a health issue, but I notice it, and I've done it for years, where I'm like, you know, like, maybe if this just happens, I'll be okay. Like, there's some place to get. And I think I shared once before about giving up idol talk, but I-D-O-L. The extent to which we idolize people and culture and things is massively debilitating. And I think especially for us as female entrepreneurs, high-achieving female entrepreneurs, fierce, determined women, like, that's what there is to let go of. That was probably the linchpin of things that held me back throughout my whole life.
 
And the reason that I never was good enough, there was always something wrong with me, is, well, of course, if you're going to compare yourself to other things and other people, you're not them. So, of course, you're going to come up short in some way, shape, or form. And I think getting that out there more, it's really an important conversation. It gets back to the community. There are a lot of threads that are woven into this entire conversation, but I look at all these people that I put up on a pedestal, you know, a lot of them are men and a lot of it of why I did that was dictated by somebody else's measuring stick and not my own. So somebody asked me a couple of years ago, what do you want? And this was when all of this was unfolding for me. And literally, I stood there and I cried because I said, I don't know. I don't know what I want because I've never been asked that question in the context of this conversation. I could have answered it before, but it was with a mask and with this heavy armor of should, what I should be like, who I should be. I don't do that anymore because I don't have to.
 
So I notice when people say should a lot, that that's a big opportunity to just take a breath and look at, you know, what is that based on? Like compared to what? So now the biggest victory that started for me was measuring against myself and measuring backwards. Now, you know, two years into it, starting my third year, it's pretty exciting. I can't wait to see what happens next. When I finally was diagnosed, I went through a rollercoaster of emotions. It was anger, it was shame, it was guilt, and there was a lot of fear for me. And one of the biggest fears was, and maybe it's a little bit related to the imposter phenomenon, but the what if people really find out who I am. The willingness to be vulnerable, I think, just from the beginning, I just said, I'm going to put this out there, because why not? And part of my immense love of the Strategic Coach community is that when I did that, there was no judgment. It was, you know, instead, I understand. I think you'll find there are a lot of people who are like you. And it was encouragement and being in a community where people say, that's a really cool idea. Have you thought about this? And it's like a yes and instead of being dismissed.
 
My biggest fear was that I would continue to be underestimated, undervalued, dismissed, marginalized, and just made to keep feeling like there's something wrong. I don't matter. I actually was told that once, that my opinion doesn't matter. Now I look at that and I hardly recognize that version of myself. It's thrilling for me as an individual because I'm coming through it. It's a work in progress for sure, but I am self-aware. I know that impulsivity is something for me to manage. I know that certain people in my life can say something and my initial reaction is blah, blah, blah, whatever that is. But now I can just take a step back and say, oh, there's that thing that I do again, and respond differently. Or I can say, oh, let's talk about this instead of my opinion doesn't matter, so I guess that's the end of it. So my biggest fear of continuing to feel underestimated or unvalued is categorically unfounded. And that's what's on the other side. And that, to me, is the value of community, is being around people who see what's possible and not what's impossible. I have compassion, though, for myself, because I know it's me. So it's not that I say, I don't recognize her. That wasn't me. It's all me. But it's all part of this evolution. And, you know, there's the word revolution that bubbles up every once in a while. But I think that for really determined female entrepreneurs, high-achieving female entrepreneurs with ADHD, whatever moniker there is, a sea change is happening. And so why not go through it with other women? You know, historically, we were all in partnerships together. Let's do that again.
 
So I strongly encourage people to check out André Brisson's Impulsive Thinker podcast. I know he has a YouTube channel. It's available wherever podcasts are found. And it's an amazing resource. And he's got resources of resources. So I tell André this on the regular, that he changed my life. But I mean it, because he's so prolific with his podcasts, and he's had hundreds of interviews. But in every interview, I get to see, that's like me. That person's like me. And suddenly the isolation starts to diminish and go away. And it's not that it's gone forever, but it's that there are so many people out there. And it's not just interviewing people with ADHD, it's interviewing Kathy Kolbe and Julia Waller and Shannon Waller and really understanding there's an entire world of support. So the different assessments, the Kolbe, the StrengthsFinder, all of those. It's all part of it. So there's no one magic bullet. There's no kind of one-size-fits-all. Every person is different. My flavor of ADHD is very different from my daughter, is very different from other women I know. So the intent is not to make it all alike. It's to bring us all together so that we recognize, can stand on the shoulders of all of those people who have paved the way for us, and that we can keep doing that for other people out there.
 
I have a lot of amazing things to say about Strategic Coach. I've gone through a lot of programs and this is a Program where it was really a jumping off point to be what I want to be as I get to create it. So part of being an entrepreneur is being an innovator. I'm a transformational thinker. I know that I'm in a community full of that. One of the most important descriptors of innovation for me is culture. I have been in a number of communities, whether it's a geographic community or an organizational community, where it sounds good, but the culture is amiss. And Strategic Coach walks the talk and provides that culture and allows for innovation and allows for entrepreneurs to really genuinely be who they are wired to be, who they create themselves to be. That's where I want to spend my time. I want to be around those people who come together and keep building that culture. So it's not limiting, it's truly limitless. And that's important to me because I'm an exponential thinker. I have been that for probably most of my life. I just didn't have a framework or a vocabulary to articulate that. But now the Strategic Coach community has given that to me as a way to share about who I am, what I am, where I am, why I am, all of that.
 
So having that culture is, it means everything to me. And having the people, you know, these little nuggets from Dan, really from everybody though, from other entrepreneurs that are game changing. It's wonderful. And so that's why, to me, Strategic Coach is worth the investment. So I think it's really, what do you want to get out of it? Because if you are expecting someone to give you something out of it, you will be sorely disappointed. because it's not about someone else. It's about your own development. It's about thinking about your business. It's about thinking about how you think about your business. And that's the gold. It was hard. It took me two years to be able to explain that to people, but it's true. How I think about things is so different. So if that's what you're willing to do, if you're willing to jump off the high dive and take that leap, this is a community where you can do that.